"It's not my job to protect people who are doing harm." - Lucy Pagedd #27 | Narcissists No More - kid gloves, codependency, & divorcing cult dynamics | Lucy Page - Part 2 of 2This week, we're back with Part 2 of our conversation with Lucy Page & here's where we go in the second half: We take a closer look at the culty commonalities between 'the Org' and the Tony Robbins training environment. Lucy shares how divorce from an abusive...
CW: This episode features body shaming, verbal abuse, and coercion. Please listen with care. This week, the 'cult'ure series circles back to ‘the Org’. Tracy Stamper joins Candice once again for a two-part interview with Mark Frossard. In 2013, Mark became the majority owner in an internationally-recognized movement studio that became a destination for Org affiliates worldwide. But in 2021, he stepped away from the practice for good due...
dd #26 | Power & Accountability - the 'Org', Tony Robbins, & the no-victims narrative | Lucy Page - Part 1 of 2This week's convo is dropping one day later than scheduled.... but it just so happens to be right on time given a recent release on the main feed. If you missed it, Episode 59 is a must-hear deep dive, because it speaks to the heart of this series... and it contextualizes where we go in this next, two-part conversation.Lucy Page...
Candice is back with another solo episode, this time asking some big questions: What is gaslighting & why is it such a thing? Why are so many people allergic to the word victim? And is spiritual dogma getting in the way of relational accountability? The episode opens with a peek into Conspirituality - and a new book by the same name - leading into an exploration of spiritual supremacy and how/why social stigmas around victimhood have...
dd #25 | Spirituality vs. Pseudoscience & how do we tell the diff? | Barb Wesson - Part 2 of 2I really loved this conversation!If you're a life-long seeker like me, you won't want to miss the second half of our conversation with Dr. Barb Wesson. Part 1 dropped last week, so be sure to circle back if you missed it.In Part 2 we grapple with loads of questions, including: What happens when spirituality gets hijacked? How do we make meaning...
dd #24 | Railing Against Reverence: Spirituality (w/o the dogma), Barb Wesson - Part 1 of 2This week, Barb Wesson joins the pod to help us separate spirituality from culty dogmatics. It's a timely conversation for yours truly, as I've been struggling mightily to disentangle the two for a good long while.Both former trainers at 'the Org', Barb & Tracy go way back... so we have a lot of fun in this two-part conversation. The three of us share...
dd #23 | Running w/o Running: Memory Gaps, Dissociation, & Submissive StatesThis week's drop is a longer-than-usual episode that comes with a content warning. If you find open discussion of trauma responses triggering, you may want to skip this one. Tracy & I discuss our personal history with dissociative states as a lead-in to what cult experts have to say about them. I read aloud from the work of Janja Lalich, Robert Jay Lifton, &...
dd #22 | Healthy vs. Ideal: The 'Joy' of (unfiltered) self-expressionIn this convo, Monica & I keep the conversation going (see dd #21) and end up laughing our asses off... while posing an important question to you:What were you looking for when you joined the Org and how are you now filling those needs outside of the group?PLEASE DROP YOUR ANSWERS IN THE COMMENT FEED!& listen in if you wanna; here's where we go in this episode: How...
In part two with former MLM Coach, Jennifer Rajala, she shares her struggle to sustain top-tier status at Arbonne. In 2020, despite being investigated by the FTC, dozens of MLMs chose to leverage vulnerability and ramp up recruitment during a global pandemic, and Jennifer tells us why this didn't sit well with her. She also shares how the body-shaming culture at Arbonne impacted her personally, and why she decided to join the inner circle at...
dd #21 | A Humble-Pie Reminder re: Scope of PracticeMonica Welty & I exchange text messages from time to time, and a couple of weeks ago we were on fire... sending audio messages back and forth while laughing our arrogant and indoctrinated asses off.We'd been listening to episodes of the We Can Do Hard Things podcast. Specifically, two episodes - Don't Tell Glennon To Love Her Body and a follow-up to it with Dr. Hillary McBride... and we had...
